tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5551045860810271141.post3662138295099100574..comments2023-03-31T04:40:25.216-07:00Comments on Unpretentious Spiritual Musings: More Thoughts On the Failure of AtheismEric Millerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05264291162336178412noreply@blogger.comBlogger2125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5551045860810271141.post-9353363704641359322012-07-26T10:09:06.152-07:002012-07-26T10:09:06.152-07:00Thank you, Anonymous, for answering the questions ...Thank you, Anonymous, for answering the questions I put forth!<br /><br />Let's examine some of those answers!<br /><br />When we look at your answers to questions 1 and a, we do indeed see that your moral code is a subjective, sort of "herd morality". So when you point out that our society has come to see harm towards others as a punishable offense (what about unjust war?), I can appreciate that you understand when someone goes against the grain, taking pleasure in hurting others, he is not doing anything wrong, but simply flouting the herd morality. So, again, you can only condemn someone on the basis of a subjective "herd morality" we've made up.<br /><br />In your answer to question b, you basically say yes to the question. If that's the case then one is not beholdened to anything that society would consider immoral. We can rape, steal, murder, lie, and cheat, without fear that we're doing anything wrong. Does that sound about right to you?<br /><br />In answer to question 2.a, you say that your feelings are real and they compel you to do good acts. <br /><br />Well, by your own admission your definition of good is subjective, and therefore meaningless so I'm at a loss at how you say that your feelings really compel you to do good acts when "good" in the moral sense doesn't actually exist, but is whatever you want it to be.<br /><br />Also you answers of "A smile, a feeling of gratitude, a feeling of love, gratefulness, self-worth and esteem", could ALL be used as justifications to do evil acts as well.<br /><br />The rest of your comment is just random libel against me and Dr. William Lane Craig so I'm not going to bother with it.<br /><br />Thanks for commenting, Anonymous.Eric Millerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05264291162336178412noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5551045860810271141.post-83346039541729919302012-07-25T16:46:49.555-07:002012-07-25T16:46:49.555-07:001. What is the source of your moral values?
-Nurtu...1. What is the source of your moral values?<br />-Nurture vs Nature- my environment, family, friends, learning or not learning compassion, making mistakes and learning from them<br /> <br />a. If they come from yourself, how can you condemn the actions of the murderer and rapist who simply acts on a different set of moral values?<br />-Not all atheists are alike~in our society we have agreed that physical and mental abuse is not okay, therefore we punish those who incur harm on others. Those laws are based on a collective of men. They do have a different set of morals and they get good feelings from things that we don't/inbalance of chemicals in the brain/lack of love as a child/etc.<br /> b. If from nature, aren't your moral values subjective and therefore not binding, since nature changes and the evolution of human beings could have produced a different set of creatures with a different moral intuition?<br />-Not binding, I can change my mind at anytime. I choose to be a good person (productive in my society) beacuase I want to be.~That is the beauty of evolution! That is why we are all special and beautiful and connected. We were lucky enough to be made of the dust of stars and to evolve into us from a tiny cell. Our purpose is to simply live (in my opinion). Evolution is not a theory as you think of a theory, it is a scientific theory, which is different. More and proof to prove it to be true. You can only deny it for so long, then what? <br /><br /><br />2. What compels you to do good acts?<br />- A smile, a feeling of gratitude, a feeling of love, gratefulness, self-worth and esteem<br /><br /> a. if something other than an objective source what makes that compulsion any more real than the god you don't believe exists?<br />-feelings are not determined by an invisible man-there is an area in the brain that determines our feelings(proof of that)<br /> b. if something like the "good of mankind" or the "flourishing of sentient life", what makes these things good and why, even if they are good, are we compelled to do them?<br />-We are compelled because of our society and peers.<br /><br />I think both sides are using this awful shooting(s) to promote their own agenda. God is good! HE saved me! That was a bullshit blog, if I ever read one. At least loved some of the people in the movie??? And using it to say there is no god is weak, because this incident has no proof of anything other than a young man shot a bunch of people in a movie. <br /><br />I can tell you like Dr Craig. He excells in math and debates. His game is to confuse the audience with PHD level math and debaticals while circling around the truth-which he knows. He has to confuse the audience to make a point. Faith is not logical, it should not be debated as such. He has never won a debate (I have read most of his debates), yet he claims to. His logic has no logic. Had he grown up in Isreal, he would be Jewish or atheist. Think of more countries and if he had been born there..what is their religion? How can everyone be born into a religion and it happen to be the correct one? You were raised christian..think it's a coincidence that you are christian? r u republican? your family is. I bet you are too. raised that way? were you taught to think or taught what to think? your posts are copies from other christian debaters....I have read them all. and found them all on the internet. I think it would be great to see a post that was not stolen from online and is unique to you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com